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SUMMARY Author Richard Heinberg on geopolitics, finance, and environment of the slow crash. Global Crossing and Green Festivals President Kevin Danaher on transition to green economy. Unicyclist for climate Joseph Boutelier. Radio Ecoshock 140507 1 hour.
Welcome to Radio Ecoshock. I’m Alex and in this program we’ll visit with Kevin Danaher, a founder of Global Crossing and President of the Green Festival, plus a visit to the studio by young Joseph Boutelier, riding his unicycle across the Rocky Mountains to draw attention to climate change.
But first, I need to ask one of the old hands about what to do while waiting for the crash. Richard Heinberg is next.
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RICHARD HEINBERG: WAITING FOR THE CRASH
There’s a movie “What to Do in Denver When You are Dead”. Now we know this carbon-based civilization is dead-ending in bankruptcy and climate chaos. What are we supposed to do while we wait for collapse?
It’s time to call in a life-line. Richard Heinberg has written about this future for decades, in books like “The Party’s Over”, “The End of Growth” and his recent fracking book “Snake Oil”. He is the Senior Fellow-in-Residence at the Post Carbon Institute in California.
My food stash from 2009 is still in my basement unused. Everyone is predicting the crash that never seems to come. What if this crazy, deadly system just keeps eating up the earth and the atmosphere for another ten or twenty years?
MICHAEL C. RUPPERT – WAS IT LEADER BURN-OUT?
There’s also the problem of leader burn out. The most glaring recent example is Michael C. Ruppert, the 911 activist, founder of Collapsenet, and host of the Lifeboat Hour radio show who killed himself.
Richard has known Mike Ruppert for years, and spent more time with him when Mike was living in Sebastapol. Is Mike’s death a reflection on a whole movement? Heinberg says “no”. Mike had his own personal problems, and had talked about suicide on many occasions. Ruppert’s former lawyer says the same thing. If you are interested, the best explanation I’ve found is here on the Cherispeak blog. The best radio show, consisting of a half dozen interviews with those who knew Mike, was just done by Global Research. Info on the program is here or download that one hour show as a free mp3 here (from the famous radio4all.net).
There are times when I feel tired, when I feel beat. I interview scientists warning about climate change, and really bright people trying to bring the world’s attention to absolutely critical threats. But my show never gets the million viewers of a single cat video. People talk about celebrity scandals, or errant billionaires, but a dying future just doesn’t make the news or even dinner table conversation.
I’ve had scientists like Dr. Tim Garrett on Radio Ecoshock, explaining why this fossil economy has to crash, to prevent an all-out climate catastrophe. We’ve had economists explain the whole banking system is based on fraud and corruption. How does this planet-killing machine keep on going?
ENERGY AND GEO-POLITICS: THE UKRAINE
We hear the drum beats for a divided world again, with US and Europe versus Russia and China. Is it a sign of desperation, the need to distract the population from dead-end jobs and a dead-end civilization? Is it a kind of military bail-out? Richard says an expected bonanza of fracked gas is likely not behind this geopolitical tussle. After all, Poland was supposed to be a fracking Mecca, but most companies have pulled out of there. It’s a very expensive way to develop gas or oil.
Another big piece of news hardly anyone will hear: western energy companies are in bed with Vladimir Putin. BP owns part of one of the world’s biggest energy companies, the Russian firm Rosneft. Exxon/Mobil has a giant play with Rosneft to do exploratory drilling in the Arctic Sea north of Siberia. The first drilling will cost more than a half billion dollars, for a reserve estimated at over 9 billion dollars. Now the CEO of Rosneft is banned from travelling to the US, and the American energy companies might get caught up in the boycotts. Everything is so interconnected with globalization that I can’t help but think this so-called economic war will blow-back into a nasty fall for the world as a whole, including the United States.
The bright side could be this: nobody should be drilling in the Arctic anyway. Their is no way to “clean up” spills there, like the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Plus, the extra fossil fuels will kill off the planet for sure.
FOOD PRICES AND COMMUNITY
Then there’s food prices. California, the whole state, is now declared in drought. The Texas cattle industry sold out last year, herds are down due to their drought. Anybody and everybody can see food prices going up and up. Will it drive more people into urban farming, back-to-the-land, kitchen gardens or what?
In the interview, we try to come up with a short-list of projects every community, and maybe even small groups of friends, can take on, to build our resiliance, and maybe a sustainable future. I’ll start: I think all lawns should be ripped up and turned into food gardens. If you don’t have time to garden, let a new industry of urban farmers do it.
Ripping up streets is another. We could keep a few for emergency access, but most of that pavement is helping kill us. Cars can make good planters. I’ve seen a couple in Vancouver that were flourishing with flowers and food, once you hack the roof off….
When a community comes to Richard, and they do, he shares that kind of advice with us that a small town, or even a mid-sized city, can proceed toward a sustainable future.
What about our culture! Richard plays a mean violin, and does public speaking, like to real people instead of just TEXx on You tube. Richard tells us a sustainable planet needs culture, and gives us some examples.
We’ve talked a little about really living, as though the future mattered. I hope people do it. But I also think we’re soft and unprepared for what our system failure, and natural system failure, will bring. Are people ready, in their heads, to sweat out a few months of hundred degree plus weather, over 30 C.? Can we withstand flooding of coastal cities time after time? Doesn’t there come a point when this already bankrupt system just cannot rebuild?
Is there a way for people to get ready for a one-two punch of economic crash and climate disruption, beyond putting bullets and beans in the basement? We can’t cover all that, but we try.
Richard Heinberg is one of the pioneers in the post carbon world to come. Richard appears in major publications and media. His books are all still essential reading. Try “The Party’s Over”, “Peak Everything“, and recently “Snake Oil: How Fracking’s False Promise of Plenty Imperils Our Future.” Find Richard as the senior Fellow-in-Residence at the Post Carbon Institute, postcarbon.org, follow his ongoing “Museletter“, or just visit richardheinberg.com.
He also publishes regularly at the Post Carbon web site called “Reslience.org“. That used to be Energy Bulletin, until they realized it was about much more than that. Reslience.org often runs Radio Ecoshock features as well. It’s a great resource, take a look.
Listen to/download this 31 minute in-depth interview with Richard Heinberg in CD Quality or Lo_Fi
KEVIN DANAHER: CONSUMERS VERSUS GREEN FESTIVALS
In the world of activism, we split into two branches. One attacks the existing human system, things like globalization, the World Bank, and social inequality. The other protests our destruction of nature, while struggling to create a pathway to a survivable future.
Our guest is one of the rare souls who marries both together. Dr. Kevin Danaher is the author, co-author, and editor of 11 books. Some expose the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the cabal of the 1 percent. Others lay out the grassroots of a greener world. Kevin co-founded the Global Exchange, long dedicated to social justice. But he also founded and continues to share leadership of Green Festivals in major American cities, including Los Angeles and New York, and coming up, Washington DC at the end of May 2014.
He’s an activist in San Franciso as well, where he founded Friends of the SF Environment. Kevin’s PhD from the University of California is in sociology.
Many of us desperately hope we can avert a catastrophic disruption of our climate. Kevin has talked about this, asking if humanity can save itself. Can we?
Many, if not most of us, have given up on government as an agency that can help us out. Princeton just released a study saying America is an oligarchy, not a democracy. Quoting a summary of that study by Mike Krieger “even when 80% of the population favored a particular public policy change, it was only instituted 43% of the time.” Now we understand why banks get bailed out but ordinary people just lose their homes. Is democracy dead?
Kevin makes me laugh out loud with one simple idea. Members of Congress should wear uniforms he say, like other public servants, such as firemen or policement. These Senators and Congressmen could wear jump suits like NASCAR drivers, with the logos of their corporate sponsors on the outside for all to see (instead of on the inside, where we can’t see those $$$).
I can see why Kevin is in demand as a public speaker. He covers everything from the corporate take over of the world to a transition to the Green economy.
Then we get down to Green Festivals. Kevin is basically in charge of those conglomerations of green businesses and speakers that visit a half dozen major American cities. There was just a Green Festival in New York in April, and Kevin will deliver a major speech at the Washington DC Green Festival at the end of May. After listening to this lively interview, D.C. listeners should get down to hear Kevin on the 31st.
Are these festivals just another excuse for more consumerism? I know some of my listeners think that. But after attending a Mother Earth News Fair last year, I found small family-run business – real people who want to make a living without damaging the Earth, and maybe even offering tools to lead a sustainable life. Even though I’m suspicious of trying to buy our way out of this eco-mess, I’ll cut some slack for people trying to make an honest living. They may be the vanguard of a new, truly sustainable economy. That’s my opinion. You decide after listening to Kevin in this interview.
Download or listen to this 21 minute interview with Kevin Danaher in CD Quality or Lo-Fi
UNICYCLIST FOR THE PLANET
Climate change hangs over the next generation even more. What can one person do?
Joseph Boutilier has set off on a cross-Canada trip to raise public awareness. His vehicle is just a single wheel, a unicycle. Joseph cycled into my village, after crossing the Coastal mountains of BC. That’s not easy!
Unicycles have no gears like a mountain bike. He has a small kind of aluminum suit case attached to the unicycle, built by his Uncle. This climate activist worked at a regular job for three years saving up the money to do this trip. He’s depending on finding friendly homes to stay in as he crosses Canada, so if you hear Joseph is coming, please reach out to give your support, a meal and a bed. He’ll be meeting with Mayors and media all along, to bring attention to the inter-generational injustice of climate change.
As you’ll hear in the interview, Joseph is well spoken, an inspiring young man. I’m so please to see youth in motion. He’s certainly that. This journey began in Victoria, British Columbia, and should end this fall in Canada’s captial, Ottawa BC, several thousand miles in all. Joseph hopes to get more attention for climate change before the Canadian elections.
Joseph Boutilier is an example of a young person who can’t just let climate disruption sweep the Earth and keep quiet about it. He’s found his way of speaking out. Have you found yours?
Follow Joseph Boutlier at his web site here.
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15 Comments on "What to Do While Waiting (for the Crash)"
Boat on Mon, 12th May 2014 9:02 am
Baby boomers are charging into the 60+ age group and this group says tear up the yards and the streets to plant gardens and then worries about them being to soft.
LOL. You can read it all here.
GregT on Mon, 12th May 2014 10:27 am
“Baby boomers are charging into the 60+ age group and this group says tear up the yards and the streets to plant gardens and then worries about them being to soft.”
Sorry Boat,
Much of ‘this group’ are baby boomers. They have been around long enough to be able to see the trends playing out. Most of them grew up in much different circumstances then what we see today. It is not the baby boomers that we need to worry about being too soft.
Plantagenet on Mon, 12th May 2014 10:41 am
We’ve already had the crash. You just can’t see because millions are on food stamps instead of standing on the street corners selling pencils.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 12th May 2014 11:42 am
“I think all lawns should be ripped up and turned into food gardens.”
Great idea! That’s what I am doing right now — big project. Unfortunately, that isn’t an idea that will work for many people. Three reasons: 1) Many if not most green lawns don’t get enough direct sunlight — mine didn’t either until I cut down about ten big trees, not something most people will be able to do, and 2) Turning a green lawn into a productive garden requires sustained hard physical manual labor — not a lot of people have the strength or determination, and 3) Just throwing a few seeds into the ground and waiting for the food to grow is a direct path to starvation — it takes the right seed for the right climate, knowing when to plant, knowing how to prepare the soil, knowing how to rotate crops — knowing all kinds of things that most people are not going to be able to learn, much less put into practice.
GregT on Mon, 12th May 2014 12:13 pm
NWR,
Then there is that other small problem, water. Vancouver BC has some of the best water supplies of any city on the planet, and we have been on summer lawn watering restrictions for over a decade already. Watering a vegetable garden for a couple of hours, two days a week, does not make for a very healthy garden, and if last summer’s weather becomes the new norm, we’re in for an even greater world of hurt. We went for over three months without any substantial rainfall, during our limited growing season.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 12th May 2014 12:32 pm
GregT — Yeah, I should have made that “four reasons”, not just three. No water = no garden, even if you can manage the other three.
Those people who are fortunate enough to live in a place that has its own fresh water supply (stream, lake, well) might find that the first place the displaced, desperate zombie hoards go to in a post-collapse situation are those that have a fresh water supply.
As for me, if the city stops pumping water, then I am screwed. Except, I have a plan!! By the end of this summer I will have built two 4x4x20 foot water storage “tanks” — a combined total of about 2200 gallons. Where I live, we get approximately 48 inches (four feet) of rain per year, and my plan is to just let them fill up with rain water. Then, during summer/drier months, I will use some kind of rain capture system (tarps/plastic) to funnel water into the tanks to replenish them. That might work for you to GregT — I imagine you get a lot of rain up there where you are???
Also, by the end of this summer, I will know whether or not there is ground water at 12 or fewer feet below the surface. If there is, as I suspect, it won’t be drinking water, but good for irrigation. In Oregon I can dig/drill down to 12 feet max without posting a bond or getting permission/licensing from the state.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 12th May 2014 12:38 pm
Correction — 4x4x10 = 160 cubic feet, with 7.48 gallons per cubic foot = 160 * 7.48 = 1196 gallons, times two = about 2400 gallons. That should grow a few tomatoes!
GregT on Mon, 12th May 2014 12:54 pm
NWR,
Many people in rural areas here already have cisterns in place for irrigation. A lot of people have shallow wells, and they can dry up over the summer months. Water was our first consideration when we were looking for our plan B location. We do get a fair amount of rain in the winter months, so I plan on installing a large cistern to collect rainwater from our metal roof. I also have a very good commercial grade RO water filtration system, if our water becomes contaminated. I am also looking at getting one of these:
http://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com
In case water pressure presents itself as a problem.
Water is somewhat important for survival, it amazes me how we have come to take water for granted.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 12th May 2014 1:05 pm
GregT — That looks like an industrial-scale water filtration system. I would put that on my list, but I’ll have to cross off a few other top priority items before I can get that.
You guys get more rain in BC than we do here in Oregon where I live. What’s up with the summer lawn-watering restrictions? Is it because where you live the rainwater doesn’t end up in easily tapped reservoirs?
Yeah, shallow water (ground water) wells can go dry in summer, and if so, what good are they? That’s why I’m going to wait until July or August to tap my 10-foot electrical conduit down to nine or ten feet and see if there is water — I KNOW there is ground water at about 3 feet right now. That level is bound to drop in summer.
Pumping water out of the cistern is also a big consideration. Lots to think about. But yes, water is vital. Most people living in the city limits thinking they can grow row crops in the front yard if it comes down to it have a big surprise waiting for them!!
GregT on Mon, 12th May 2014 1:31 pm
NWR,
City water here comes from lakes/reservoirs up in the mountains. They are also replenished during the summer months with glacial and snow melt, and precipitation. As is the case with many places, much of our infrastructure was built during the post-war-boom years. Our population has grown considerably since those times, and snow pack has been receding. It amazes me how property development is allowed to go ahead, with infrastructure always being an afterthought. We do have plenty of river water, but not tied into city water supplies, for obvious reasons. Farmers out in the valley do use river water for irrigation.
paulo1 on Mon, 12th May 2014 2:25 pm
NW res,
It isn’t the rainfall or resources, it is the leaky and sub-standard underground piping systems that plagues Vancouver, supposedly. They are now too small, they leak, they fail, and they are under some of the most expensive realstate in the world. To upgrade, which has been going on for some time, requires borrowing and tax increases. People find it hard to understand why it is necessary when it rains so damn much, plus Vancouverites already are taxed to pieces.
I used to live in Campbell River, on the Island. We have literally hundreds of miles of lakes for resevoir supply….shared with BC Hydro generation. Regularly, the south end of town had no water pressure in summer and water restrictions are a regular summer event. The pipes leaked and were not upgraded to population demand. With declining tax sources, it is a big headache.
I now live in an area of 100″ rainfall per year. My drilled well lies alongside a river (alas the river is somewhat brackish at high tide in August). The water lens starts at 8′, and goes down to 70′ where the gravel turns to bedrock. Our well is drilled to 70′. I used to have a dug 14′ well and ran out one day watering the garden. We also had a well in the bottom of the riverbed. Now I can water 24/7 without the slightest drop. The water quality is excellent…not as good tasting as surface water but gin clear. We did the collection thing for years as well, but it was a pain in the butt. The drilled well is wonderful. It was worth every penny and one could install a solar pump to fill a tank in a well house for gravity feed. I may do it one day.
Paul
Northwest Resident on Mon, 12th May 2014 2:37 pm
Paulo1 — Isn’t it amazing how in such a resource-rich and reasonably well-to-do area, the infrastructure is failing to keep up with population growth? That echoes exactly what GregT said — in fact, it sounds like you guys are practically neighbors. Anyway, back to the infrastructure thing, the failure to maintain infrastructure due to lack of funds is starting to pile up everywhere and I imagine it won’t be too far in the future where we start to see real problems. Securing one’s own guaranteed water supply is or should be a top priority for folks.
It sounds like you have your water situation well taken care of. I wish I could drill a proper well in my backyard — but the city would never permit that and the cost would be prohibitive to the extreme. I’m stuck with shallow ground water and/or rain collection, pain in the butt though it may be.
Do you guys get enough sun to make solar practical up in BC? Here where I live SW of Portland, OR we don’t get much sun, and I don’t image you guys do either. I’ve resigned myself to a hand pump — it is “on the list”.
GregT on Mon, 12th May 2014 4:46 pm
NWR,
I’m assuming that Paulo is on the west coast of Vancouver Island, or North of Campbell River at least. If that is indeed the case, you are probably closer to me right now than he is. I can be in Portland in about 6 hours. Campbell River would take me 5 hours if I didn’t need to wait for ferries.
A solar panel and a pump could be used to fill a reservoir when the sun shines, and gravity to feed water from the reservoir to the house. Just need a reservoir big enough to supply water for when the sun doesn’t shine.
Looking at stats you get much less rain than Vancouver, but about the same as where I am moving to. The difference is that you are further south where the suns rays are more direct.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 12th May 2014 5:07 pm
GregT — Just six hours? Hey, you’re going to have to have me over for a beer some time! I’ll bring my shovel and earn my beer the old-fashioned way. Honestly, as close as I am to Canada, I’ve never been there. Which is a pity!
GregT on Mon, 12th May 2014 5:40 pm
My wife and I try to get down to the Oregon Coast at least once a year. We drag a 1972 fibreglass travel trailer that has been completely gutted and rebuilt. We usually camp out at Fort Stevens then travel down the coast and do day trips. Two years ago we did Mt. St. Helens, even travelled down to the south side and hiked the Ape Caves. Love it down there!