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Is the US Trying To Start WWIII?
American diplomacy in the Ukraine crisis was summed up earlier this month by State Department senior official Victoria Neuland, a leading neocon: “F….k Europe.”
On Friday, Europe responded by brokering a sensible compromise to Ukraine’s increasingly dangerous crisis just as the army was about to intervene. If the pact holds, Ukraine’s president Viktor Yanukovich will relinquish some of his powers, a unity government will be formed, elections held, and jailed protestors freed. The fate of imprisoned nationalist leader, Yulia Timoshenko, remains unclear.
Here was an intelligent diplomatic solution to a crisis that might have led to a head-on clash between NATO and Russia, both nuclear powers.
But what if the European Union had not brokered this deal and the US hardline approach had been followed?
A basic rule of world affairs is careful what you threaten. Empty threats become loose cannons.
Last week, US President Barack Obama warned Russia to back off from strife-torn Ukraine or face “consequences.”
“Consequences” has become a favorite threat of Hillary Clinton warlike Democrats. It is even overtaking Washington’s former favored threat of war, “all options are on the table.”
We last heard that tired threat over Syria, and look what happened: the White House almost blundered into a totally unnecessary war over Syria and had to be rescued by none other than Russia’s Vladimir Putin.
Last week, more warlike threats. What if the wily Vlad Putin calls Obama’s bluff?
If the feeble sanctions threatened by Washington did not work, what then? Would the Obama administration nuke Moscow over Ukraine, a nation that 99.7% of all Americans could not find on a map if their lives depended on it. Would the US try to block Russia’s oil exports, as it does with Iran? Financial markets would go crazy. All over Ukraine?
Moscow believes Ukraine’s uprising is funded and fanned by the US and EU. The Kremlin fears the US is bent on tearing down the Russian Federation and eliminating it as a world power. Putin, the target of an intensifying hate campaign by western media, has said so often.
Last week, President Obama proclaimed his goal was to allow Ukrainians and Syrians to express their will through free elections. Very nice. Two cheers, Mister President.
But democracy and a free press can’t be selective. While western politicians and the increasingly state-guided US media wring their hands over Ukraine and Syria, we’ve seen the dictatorial regimes of Bahrain, Egypt and Saudi Arabia – all three key US allies –oppressing their own rebellious people.
Egypt offers a particularly odious example. Its neo-fascist military junta crushed the nation’s first-ever democracy, killed over a thousand protestors, jailed many thousands more, and brought back torture and a savage police state. Eight journalists from al-Jazeera are in prison facing trial for the crime of reporting facts. Protestors are simply shot down in the street.
Washington continues to fund Egypt’s armed forces that crush dissent, and to back Bahrain’s royal family that hosts the US Fifth Fleet. To Putin’s discredit, he just welcomed Egypt’s military dictator to Moscow and showered praise on him.
Besides being hypocritical, Washington’s policy towards Russia is increasingly dangerous. Have we learned nothing from the diplomatic folly that led to World War I?
The US has steadily pushed its strategic influence to Russia’s borders in the Caucasus, Eastern Europe and Central Asia. This in spite of a promise to Mikhail Gorbachev by the George Bush Sr. administration not to do so in exchange for the Kremlin allowing the peaceful collapse of the Soviet Empire.
Gorbachev kept his side of the pact; Washington did not.
Were he alive, the great statesman Bismarck would have been aghast at the west’s provocations of Russia, As tensions mount in Asia, and a real war between Japan and China grows more likely – a war that Japan would lose unless the US intervened – Washington increasingly needs the support of Moscow.
Instead, clumsy, amateur US foreign policy is antagonizing Russia and China at the same time. Bismarck taught us to divide our enemies and pit them against one another. It’s also worth remembering that intense US propaganda against the Soviet Union in the 1980’s, including Reagan’s infamous “Evil Empire,” led the Kremlin to believe a US nuclear attack was imminent. Here we go again.
Also recall that Vlad Putin is a judo expert. He well understands how to use an opponent’s weight and poor stance to parry his attack. Putin has so far been doing a successful job wrong-footing Washington. But this is a dangerous game. A few false moves and the result could be a direct clash between nuclear powers.
Fortunately, this dire threat appears to have been averted, at least for the time being, by the unity pact in Kiev. Europe, not Washington, is leading this laudable effort – as it should be.
20 Comments on "Is the US Trying To Start WWIII?"
PrestonSturges on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 3:17 pm
The GOP has kept up it constant drumbeat for war, and this week it’s the Ukraine or something. All they talk about is “respect,” and who even knows what that means.
Davy, Hermann, MO on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 3:27 pm
I prefer Orlov. This guy is unbalanced and seeks an agenda. Not denying some of this but please get some balance!
PrestonSturges on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 4:49 pm
If you look at the articles this guy has published, he’s a one trick pony and only the name of the countries change
http://www.lewrockwell.com/author/eric-margolis/?post_type=article
Northwest Resident on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 5:04 pm
“Hillary Clinton warlike Democrats.” Only an extreme right-wing moron blinded by ideology would use that phrase. You gotta love the right-wing echo chamber. Just toss a lie or a catchy anti-Obama phrase into that chamber and it gets pinged around the chamber endlessly, finding its way into hundreds if not thousands of blog posts and articles like this one, always presented as absolute fact without an ounce of qualification needed.
Arthur on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 7:05 pm
Eric Margolis is one of my favorite American columnists (Jewish-Albanian background). He is a conservative but not of the neocon variety. Unfortunately this article was outdated a few hours after it was written. The ‘protesters’ broke their own agreement and finished the coup d’etat and overthrow of a legitimately elected government, whatever criticism you can have on Yanukowitsch.
Meanwhile Merkel and Putin are trying to keep the Ukraine in one piece and hopefully manage to keep the neocon criminal warmongering scum out, that invested no less than $5 billion fiat money to set the Ukraine on fire, after they managed to do the same with Iraq, Lybia and Syria:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-merkel-und-putin-telefonieren-a-955191.html
The solution must be that the Ukraine will function as a bridge between Europe and Russia, rather than as a prey. It is a good sign that Merkel has uttered scepticism concerning a possible return of the thief Timoshenko (grandfather Kapitalman, what’s in a name).
While I write this post I watch from the corner of my eye the magnificent pictures of the closing ceremony of the Sotchi games. Not a single reference to the communist period, that Wallstreet organized disaster in Russian history. Russia is back as a great nation and has managed the transformation from being a commie globalist shit hole, towards a real authentic civilization. Now it is the turn of Europe to follow the example of Russia and leave the dying West and it’s ruling cleptocrates based in London-New York.
Northwest Resident on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 8:23 pm
I can’t see how it is in anybody’s interest for Ukraine to disintegrate into warring factions, or to be divided. I don’t buy the conspiracy theories that America and the CIA and greedy elites in Europe are paying billions to instigate mayhem and riot, all for the purpose of creating turmoil in Ukraine and putting pressure on Russia. There is too little to be gained, and too much to be lost. If there is oil to be fracked or otherwise extracted in Ukraine and the oil companies are itching to get in and develop that oil extraction, I hope they do it in a way that doesn’t lead to more bloodshed and violence.
Arthur — Where did you learn that “neocon criminal warmongering scum … invested no less than $5 billion fiat money to set the Ukraine on fire”?
And by the way, Arthur, your statement that “Now it is the turn of Europe to follow the example of Russia and leave the dying West and it’s ruling cleptocrates based in London-New York.” is ludicrous beyond description. A huge portion of Europe IS “the West”, or at least an integral part of it, and given that Western Civilization derived from great portions of Europe, how do you propose those countries will “leave the dying West”? I’m sure you regret making that absurd comment.
And are you saying that now Russia has become the shining example and guiding light for enlightened civilizations on planet Earth that all nations should be looking toward? Give me a break.
Arthur on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 9:33 pm
Where did you learn that “neocon criminal warmongering scum … invested no less than $5 billion fiat money to set the Ukraine on fire”?
Straight from the neocon horses mouth, that is Victoria “F*** the EU” Nuland herself:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-conquest-by-subversion-victoria-nulands-admits-washington-has-spent-5-billion-to-subvert-ukraine/5367782
your statement that “Now it is the turn of Europe to follow the example of Russia and leave the dying West and it’s ruling cleptocrates based in London-New York.” is ludicrous beyond description
Is it? In 1945 the American and Soviet globalists could celebrate their mission accomplished and divide the European loot among themselves in a pre-planned operation (you can’t know that if you have not spent months/years studying the subject, as I have). Eastern Europe/Russia was liberated from globalist communism in 1989-1991. Western Europe was and is still under the thumb of the US. If we stay much longer in that position, we will commit suicide as a civilization as a result of the imposed multicult by Washington (or rather the zionist PTB). We are not going to wait until every European city will resemble Detroit or similar American cities.
And are you saying that now Russia has become the shining example and guiding light for enlightened civilizations on planet Earth that all nations should be looking toward?
Russia is Russia and Europe will be Europe. “Shining cities on radiating hills” rhetoric, or whatever the precise phrasing was, we gladly leave to others. I am talking about respect for local identity and authenticity.
It is a matter of waiting for the “timber!” moment to sneak out of the West and form a new civilization, I like to call the North, in clear oppposition to the South. European Americans are invited to the northern party, provided that the Lobby has been, uhh, neutralized, politically speaking.
files . myopera . com/salventura/blog/Aztlan_Map.jpg
(the coming North-American subsidiary of the North, go talk to Orlov).
What happened to Iraq, Libya, Syria and the Ukraine, will finally come home to the US as a boomerang and the US will learn the hard way that you can’t ignore race, no matter how hard you try with the best of intentions.
DC on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 9:43 pm
I hope you don’t mind me answering your (rhetorical?) question to Arthur about the 5 billion..
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37599.htm
Brought to you by….CHEVRON( I mean seriously, the corporations dont even bother to try and hide it anymore do they), and other US globalist corporations. The $5bil spent to destabilize Ukraine, as a prelude to installing a pliant western puppet regime is easily verifiable. Did you think Arthur made it up? I mean that vid comes directly from the horses mouth. Of course the speech is larded with the USual platitudes about ‘good government’, and ‘European aspirations’ and so on. Everyone attending that meet gold plated con-fab knew exactly what she meant. Funds set aside to regime change. Peaceful if possible-messy and violent if not. Makes little different to her and her masters. 5 billion dollars that doesn’t even belong to them in the first place, all to equip and train neo-nazi thugs in Kiev and produce slick propaganda pieces like that infamous “I am Ukrainian” youtube ‘sensation’. 5 billion can buy you a lot of instability and put a lot of thugs on the street you know NWR…..
Northwest Resident on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 10:08 pm
“Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government – all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals.” Nuland said the United States will continue to “promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”
And from that, you get “neocon criminal warmongering scum … invested no less than $5 billion fiat money to set the Ukraine on fire”.
Twisted, Arthur. Truly twisted.
Arthur on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 10:19 pm
Nuland does no give a **** about the Ukraine. If it is opportune to topple a democratic regime, like the MB regime in Egypt, they drop that democracy like a hot potato. What they really want is destroy the last resistance against the NWO: Russia, China and Iran. Forget about democracy, that does not exist, except for a few outposts like Switzerland, perhaps. That money is used to put tens of thousands of nationalist hot heads from Lvov on buses and drive them to Kiev and feed them, if not arm them. You are hopelessly naive about the machinations and total lack of scruples of people like Nuland and Soros.
GregT on Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 10:21 pm
DC,
You forgot ExxonMobil, and the IMF.
Brought to you by Chevron, Exxon Mobil, the IMF and the globalist, Zionist, central banking cartels. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated, either by peace, or in pieces.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 1:54 am
Arthur — If sometimes occurs to me that you border on madness. The intensity of your thoughts, the knowing of what Nuland and so many other world notables do or don’t care about, the long list of plots, the endless evil that your mind dwells on — it must be driving you crazy.
The world is running out of oil. The rats are starting to scurry. All nations, all powers all throughout the world have always competed with deadly force and political intrigue to gain the upper hand. They all see the end to the game approaching. That’s all that’s going on, Arthur. That five billion has been spent over many years, much of it has gone to teach farming, to build schools, to do other really good things — there was good will behind that money, not the evil that your dark mind imagines.
Davy, Hermann, MO on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 2:13 am
N/R – It amazes me how some people can wallow in darkness, deceit, and love of conflict. “IF” there is any chance at human survival it can’t start in darkness of the mind. We have precious little time to prepare.
Arthur on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 11:04 am
Arthur — If sometimes occurs to me that you border on madness. The intensity of your thoughts, the knowing of what Nuland and so many other world notables do or don’t care about, the long list of plots, the endless evil that your mind dwells on — it must be driving you crazy.
Thanks for your implicit concern about my (mental) health, but I can assure you I am alive and kicking and feeling upbeat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2010
To illustrate the situation in the Ukraine: Janukowitsch was elected with a small majority over Timoshenko in 2010. Maybe there was some vote rigging, but the real result will not deviate that much from the official result. The very fact that ‘EuroMaidan’ was filled with anti-Janukowitsch protesters, says little about the true situation in the country. The protesters are simply better organized, just like in 2004 and the ‘Orange revolution’, because of the billions flowing in from the State Department and Soros and the rest of the new COMINTERN. There can be little doubt that the real divide is about 50/50, which makes the situation so explosive, a fact well understood in Washington. The strategy is to create a new Georgia in the overdrive and embroil Putin into a civil war on his doorstep.
The true origin of the uprising in the Ukraine was grassroots, just like the Arab Spring, that began in Tunisia when some fruit salesman put himself on fire out of despair with his poverty. This had nothing to do with US meddling. The latter starts on the very moment the US elite sees revolutionary potential and starts to calculate if they can acquire some geopolitical gain from local regime change, or if that is not the case, simply destroy it, like with Libya and Syria, because the US has no use for an Islamic fundamentalist state without oil.
Arthur on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 11:09 am
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/drohender-bankrott-usa-und-briten-bieten-ukraine-finanzhilfen-an-a-955230.html
Suprise, suprise, the London-NYC axis offers to pump billions into the Ukraine.
Arthur on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 11:21 am
Belorussians predictably want to be rich quick too and they could be the next target for regime change. European taxpayers are expected to foot the bill.
http://www.infowars.com/domino-effect-ukraine-neighbor-belarus-may-be-next/
Arthur on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 12:10 pm
My hero Paul Craig Roberts and reason why not everything is lost concenring the US, has just written another piece:
http://www.infowars.com/democracy-murdered-by-protest-ukraine-falls-to-intrigue-and-violence/
In western Ukraine the only organized and armed force is the ultra-nationalist Right Sector. From the way this group’s leaders speak, they assume that they are in charge. One of the group’s leaders, Aleksandr Muzychko, has pledged to fight against “Jews and Russians until I die.”
For the sensitive posters here, the Ukraine suffered an intentional famine in the thirties (“Holomodor”) that killed 6 million or more Ukrainians, with the intention of breaking anti-communist resistance among Ukrainians. I am not going to elaborate about the details of that disaster as some here do not like to hear that. But hey, what was Stalin to do? He needed the Ukrainian grain to pay the ‘American’ Armand Hammer for the buildup of the Soviet armaments industry for his planned assault against Europe (July 1941, operation Buran, preempted by the Germans, June 22, 1941, a fact that certainly escapes the somewhat amateuristic historic understanding of PCR. He is much better at understanding present day politics).
Muzychko declared, “The next president of Ukraine will be from Right Sector.”… The Right Sector did not overthrow the Ukraine government in order to deliver it into the hands of the Washington and EU paid “opposition.”… Provincial governments in eastern and southern Ukraine that formerly were part of Russia are organizing militias against the ultra-nationalist threat unleashed by Washington’s stupidity and incompetence and by the naive and gullible Kiev protesters.
This is what you don’t see in the ‘news’.
Having interfered in Ukraine’s internal affairs and lost control, Washington is now issuing ultimatums to Russia not to interfere in Ukraine. Does the idiot Susan Rice, Obama’s neoconservative National Security Advisor, think Putin is going to pay any attention to her ultimatums or to any instruction from a government so militarily incompetent that it was unable to successfully occupy Baghdad after 8 years or to defeat a few thousand lightly armed Taliban after 12 years? In only took a few hours for Russian troops to destroy the American and Israeli trained and armed Georgian army that Washington sent to invade South Ossetia.
No, he won’t, but he won’t take this drastic step lightly either. His hopes no doubt are pinned to solve this crisis together with the Germans and cashbook diplomacy and keep the Ukraine in one piece. If not, they (Russia and Germany) could attempt to split the Ukraine with imposed, international guaranteed new borders.
Where does Obama find morons like Susan Rice and Victoria Nuland? These two belong in a kindergarten for mentally handicapped children, not in the government of a superpower where their ignorance and arrogance can start World War 3.
Do you hear that, NRW/ghung? It is not me saying that, but a decent conservative from the former Reagan government.
According to the Moscow Times, this is what a senior Russian official has to say: “If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war.” Ukraine “will lose Crimera first,” because Russia “will go in just as we did in Georgia.” Another Russian official said: “ We will not allow Europe and the US to take Ukraine from us. The states of the former Soviet Union, we are one family. They think Russia is still as weak as in the early 1990s but we are not.”
This illustrates that the developing situation, no matter how risky, actually has potential for Russian advantage, namely taking the Crimea back, replacing difficult lease constructions concerning Sevastopel. And then there is Yalta and the rest of the former Russian Riviera. And large cities like Kharkow, Dnepropetrowsk, Odessa and Donetz. The good thing for Russia is that the entire Blacksea coast is ‘Russian’, making it difficult for the US to supply insurgents.
Arthur on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 1:50 pm
NRW says: And from that, you get “neocon criminal warmongering scum … invested no less than $5 billion fiat money to set the Ukraine on fire”.
Twisted, Arthur. Truly twisted.
Here is a transcript of the Nuland speech, Dec 13, 2013:
http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2013/dec/218804.htm
I spent more than two hours with President Yanukovych… But I also made clear that the United States believes there is a way out for Ukraine, that it is still possible to save Ukraine’s European future, and that that is where we wanted to see the president lead his country.
Can you imagine Putin arriving in Canada and saying that he likes to see Canada becoming part of GIS/SCO. That’s basically what la Nuland did.
Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations. We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.
First of all there is no such thing as a ‘uniform Ukrainian European’ aspiration, that’s probably not even a majority position. Many of the protesters (‘Neo-Nazis’) are basically nationalist and want an independent Ukraine, between the EU and Russia. It is a US aspiration to draw the Ukraine from the Russian orbit and dump it at the feet of the European tax payer. The EU is in their pocket anyway, or so they think. And if the EU shows reluctance to be burdened with this task, well f*** the EU.
Davy, Hermann, MO on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 2:01 pm
@Arthur – you are unbalanced and fail to see direct comparisons are not valid in the realm of world geopolitical situations do to culture, location, politics, economics, and nonlinear relationships. You are trying to force a point that has relevance but loses its meaning when being forced. I know you don’t care if I agree with you but when you post these things they turn me off immediately even if they have some validity!
Arthur on Mon, 24th Feb 2014 2:37 pm
I know you don’t care if I agree with you but when you post these things they turn me off immediately even if they have some validity!
You are right, I don’t care. I am not here to please you (nor intentionally harass you). You are basically saying: “you are right, but please don’t be so blunt/rude, cause the truth hurts”.
Shrug.
The value of participating a forum lies in the sharpening of one’s wit/views/opinions/formulations, as well as picking up interesting point of views of others. See it as testing the water. See it as a sort of being a sparring partner. In a certain sense is becoming banned the ultimate confirmation of being right in the eyes of the banners, because there are no arguments to silence the irritant. It is like turning over the chess board, when things go wrong with the chess pieces on the board.
I have been here for more than two years now. Last year I already had decided that it was time to leave, in combination with a severe loss in my private life, after I had sufficiently ventilated my opinions and that it was elegant to preempt a possible ban. Than, a few months later something happened (I am not going to elaborate here) that made me come back with some confidence that a ban was not immanent. But I realize very well that if too many people start to call for a ban, because of opinions conflicting too much with Anglo/US imperial interests, that it is difficult to let me stay on. Well, so be it then.