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Challenging Nuclear Energy In India And EROEI

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In all the discussion about Nuclear Energy and the construction of new plants across India, one crucial fact missing from the debate is EROEI (Energy Returned On Energy Invested). There is no conclusive estimate on EROEI of nuclear energy. It varies from an optimistic 11:1 to a negative EROEI. This means that if every thing goes well, for one unit of energy invested 11 unit of energy may be returned. Some researchers believe that Nuclear is a total energy loss… huge investments will not return no amount of net energy… meaning EROEI is negative! Other experts believe that due to the huge cost going into uranium mining, construction (an estimated 20 years for a plant) and operational cost, the cost of storing spent fuel, and in the end the dismantling cost of the plant, put the net energy into negative. That is, if you invest 1 unit of energy into production, the return would be net loss of energy.

It doesn’t count the environmental cost of building such a plant, like the ecological loss, loss of fisheries, clean water etc. If an accident like Fukushima Daiichi or Chernobyl happens, the cost EROEI turns hundreds of % negative and it falls upon the society to bear the cost. In this context, is it advisable to have more nuclear plants?

Here is a paragraph from an authoritative paper from Professor Charles Hall of the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3877

” The seemingly most reliable information on Energy Returned on Energy Invested (EROI) is quite old and is summarized in chapter 12 of Hall et al. (1986). Newer information tends to fall into the wildly optimistic camp (high EROI, e.g. 10:1 or more, sometimes wildly more) or the extremely pessimistic (low or even negative EROI) camp (Tyner et al. 1998, Tyner 2002, Fleay 2006 and Caldicamp 2006). One recent PhD analysis from Sweden undertook an emergy analysis (a kind of comprehensive energy analysis including all environmental inputs and quality corrections as per Howard Odum) and found an emergy return on emergy invested of 11:1 (with a high quality factor for electricity) but it was not possible to undertake an energy analysis from the data presented (Kindburg, 2007). Nevertheless that final number is similar to many of the older analyses when a quality correction is included. “

Here is another from Scientific American

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eroi-behind-numbers-energy-return-investment&page=2

Nuclear: As with hydroelectricity, the EROI estimates for nuclear power span a very large range. Some claim that the EROI is actually less than 1—which would mean that the whole process is not a source of energy, but rather a sink—whereas others (such as the World Nuclear Association, an industry group) estimate that the EROI is much higher than perhaps any other source of energy, around 40 to 60 when using centrifuge enrichment. I drew on a paper that reviewed many studies, and estimated the EROI to be 5. Lenzen, “Life cycle energy and greenhouse gas emissions of nuclear energy: A review,” Energy Conversion and Management (2008) (link).

Solar

Solar (PV): There are a wide variety of estimates of solar PV’s EROI as well—in part because the technologies and production techniques are improving fast, a major reason for the large price reductions over the past decade. I used the most recent peer-reviewed study I could find (Raugei et al., 2012, cited above). Solar PV’s EROI is almost certainly rising (Raugei et al., 2012; personal communication, Michael Dale of Stanford University). The latest data in Raugei’s study was at least a couple of years old, so the EROI today is most likely higher than 6, the number cited in my article.

EROEI For Wind

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/1863

On the other hand the EROEI of wind energy is estimated to be around 30 with very little environmental cost.

So what do you think is the direction we should be taking?

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10 Comments on "Challenging Nuclear Energy In India And EROEI"

  1. BillT on Mon, 9th Sep 2013 10:47 am 

    We should be eliminating energy use in everything possible. There are no ‘renewable’ energy sources besides plant growing power from the sun.

    Life-time EROEI of nuclear is a negative number because nowhere do they factor in decommissioning and waste management for centuries.

  2. KingM on Mon, 9th Sep 2013 11:18 am 

    BillT, so you think we should go back to burning wood? Voluntarily?

  3. BillT on Mon, 9th Sep 2013 1:01 pm 

    No, I think we just need to stop wasting energy on crap. How much ‘stuff’ do you see in the stores and Malls that are not ‘necessities’? 90%? 95%? Then think about how many unnecessary miles you travel everyday that you will not do if you don’t have a car. And why ship stuff from Asia that could be made in the USA? Why ship fish from Australia to the US or flowers from South America? If we eliminated the waste, we could all have a good life for much longer, but we are about to go to war and use up many years supply of energy/resources in a few days or weeks. To make a few corporations richer and many millions poorer. Stop buying anything that is not a necessity and help extend what we have for a little longer.

  4. rollin on Mon, 9th Sep 2013 4:18 pm 

    Just converting residential electricity in the US to PV and windpower would eliminate a half billion tons of coal per year being mined and burned. Extremely less pollution, less deaths, less hospital visits, more mountain tops – a winner all around.

    Nuclear that does not use up nuclear waste should not even be considered.

  5. Stephen on Mon, 9th Sep 2013 5:50 pm 

    I wonder if Thorium would be higher or lower in EROEI than Uranium.

  6. Brent on Mon, 9th Sep 2013 7:02 pm 

    this is an interesting read from the country just next door. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-08/to-ease-pakistan-violence-turn-on-the-lights.html

  7. Kenz300 on Mon, 9th Sep 2013 8:32 pm 

    Quote — “Other experts believe that due to the huge cost going into uranium mining, construction (an estimated 20 years for a plant) and operational cost, the cost of storing spent fuel, and in the end the dismantling cost of the plant, put the net energy into negative. That is, if you invest 1 unit of energy into production, the return would be net loss of energy.”

    ———————–

    After decommissioning the nuclear plant what will the cost be to store the nuclear waste FOREVER.

    That is too high a price to pay………

  8. DC on Mon, 9th Sep 2013 9:30 pm 

    Actually Thoriums EROEI is exactly zero, since it doesn’t exist. Nor is it likely ever too at current rates. If it did, there is little reason to believe a kg of fissile thorium would be significantly different from a kg of U-235 energywise. And a thorium fuel cycle, embodied costs of mining, plant construction etc are basically identical to our current leaky nukes.

  9. BillT on Tue, 10th Sep 2013 1:09 am 

    rollin, It is estimated that each PV panel takes 3-4 tons of coal energy to be produced from mines to roof top. So, how would that cut coal use?

    And each cubic yard of cement takes a barrel of oil from beginning to final placement.

    You need to TOTAL the lifetime energy consumption/production of a product from mines to landfill, to estimate the energy net, if any. I have not seem a real evaluation of ‘renewables’ that indicate that they are truly ‘renewable’ without oil.

  10. Adam White on Tue, 10th Sep 2013 8:09 pm 

    There are huge risks in spending too much energy. The one that is most affected is the environment. I know that energy spending is necessary for development but at least spend it wisely.

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