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EU Agrees To the World’s Largest Carbon Border Tax
European Union governments have reached a deal on the world’s first major carbon border tax, as part of an overhaul of the bloc’s flagship carbon market that aims to make its economy carbon-neutral by 2050.
EU ministers finalized details of the Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism early Sunday after reaching a provisional agreement earlier on in the week.
The landmark measure adds a pollution price on certain imports to the European Union. Carbon-intensive industries inside the bloc must comply with strict emissions standards, and the tax is designed to ensure those businesses are not undermined by competitors in countries with weaker rules.
The measure will apply first to iron and steel, cement, aluminum, fertilizers, electricity production and hydrogen before being extended to other goods.
It also disincentivizes EU companies from moving production to more tolerant countries, something that EU lawmakers refer to as “carbon leakage.”
Under the new mechanism, companies will need to buy certificates to cover emissions generated by the production of goods imported into the European Union based on calculations linked to the EU’s own carbon price.
Mohammad Chahim, a Dutch socialist politician who has led negotiations on the law for the European parliament, said in a statement that the measure will be a “crucial pillar” of European climate policies.
“It is one of the only mechanisms we have to incentivize our trading partners to decarbonize their manufacturing industry,” he added.
But the plan has been met with resistance by countries including the United States and South Africa, which are worried about the impact that carbon border taxes could have on their manufacturers.
“There are a lot of concerns coming from our side about how this is going to impact us and our trade relationship,” US trade representative Katherine Tai said at a conference in Washington last week, according to the Financial Times.
The European Union and the United States have already butted heads over President Joe Biden’s $370 billion climate plan under the Inflation Reduction Act, which EU officials say will hurt European companies selling into the US market.
In a nod to the challenge posed by the Inflation Reduction Act, the latest EU deal makes more money available for the development of clean energy technologies in Europe.
The EU carbon measure could lead to a “rapid deindustrialization” of African countries that export to the European Union, warned Faten Aggad, a senior adviser on climate diplomacy at the African Climate Foundation.
Another risk is that clean energy capacity in poorer countries will simply be shifted to the production of exported goods while industry aimed at local consumption relies on dirty fuels, Aggad said on Twitter. She added that certifying carbon emissions in producing countries remains a “challenge.”
Climate policy overhaul
The carbon border tax is part of a wider deal agreed to Sunday that reforms the EU carbon market to cut its emissions 62% by 2030, compared to 2005.
The EU carbon market, known as the Emissions Trading System (ETS), already caps greenhouse gas emissions from more than 11,000 power and manufacturing plants, as well as all internal EU flights, covering some 500 airlines.
Companies receive or buy emission permits or “allowances,” which can subsequently be traded. The ETS, which on Sunday was extended to shipping, is key to the European Union’s bid to become the world’s first carbon-neutral continent.
Under the latest reforms, the quantity of free emissions allowances will be phased out between 2026 and 2034. The Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism will be phased in at the same time, in that way protecting domestic firms from being undercut by foreign competitors.
After almost 30 hours of talks, negotiators also agreed to launch a new carbon market for heating and transport fuels starting in 2027, with the option to delay that by one year if energy prices remain at current high levels.
“This deal will provide a huge contribution towards fighting climate change at low costs,” Peter Liese, lead negotiator for the European parliament said in a statement. The deal will “provide a clear signal to European industry that it pays off to invest in green technologies,” Liese added.
The European Parliament and European Council will have to formally approve the deal before it comes into force in 2026.
47 Comments on "EU Agrees To the World’s Largest Carbon Border Tax"
makati1 on Tue, 20th Dec 2022 2:54 am
Another prime example of western suicide. Nuff said.
The_Forbin_Project on Wed, 21st Dec 2022 1:35 am
“This deal will provide a huge contribution towards fighting climate change at low costs,”
low cost to who ? not the poor for certain, they cant afforf jet fuel taxed or not ( and we know its not going to be taxed for private jets )
penny dropped yet ?
no? carry on watching the football then.
Theedrich on Wed, 21st Dec 2022 1:58 am
Mak: “Another prime example of western suicide.” Exactly right. White genosuicide has been the favorite doctrine of the American-led West for well over a century.
Duncan Idaho on Wed, 21st Dec 2022 10:20 am
Putin has informed the EU.
It has been clear since before the Jan. 6 insurrection that one of Donald J. Trump’s two base skills has been for conning people. The other is for evading justice.
The Fat Boy may be in for a reality check.
We shall see, he is good a criminal.
makati1 on Wed, 21st Dec 2022 4:23 pm
Duncan, your mindset is in question. The Dumbocrats want a dictatorship, not a democracy. The brainwashed Lefties are blind to reality.
Perhaps you too are on the government dole or deeply invested in the stock market casino? The Lefties are going to learn a very hard, painful lesson when the SHTF and the government teat dries up. Just look across the Atlantic, at what the US ass kissing EU is experiencing, for your future. So be it.
BTW: It is Thursday, 6:25AM, here and the temp is 25C/76F and the sun is shining. It is to go up to 82F later. The roosters are crowing and the flowers are blooming. What is it like in your neighborhood? ^_^
Duncan Idaho on Wed, 21st Dec 2022 6:41 pm
Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750. He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.
The Fat Boy is a curious loser—
makati1 on Wed, 21st Dec 2022 9:03 pm
“The Fat Boy” is a typical elite tax dodger. You are also a “dodger”, if there is one loophole you can take advantage of, and do. I always used every loophole I could find when I was a tax slave. Only fools pay more than they have to.
The problem is, you cannot buy the Congressional whores to make laws that favor your income level. The elite do. A few million dollars can buy a lot of “advantages”.
Not to mention that every Congressional whore goes to DC with inside advantages, maybe a million dollars net worth when they are elected, and 20 years later, are worth 100+ times more with a legal income of maybe five million dollars gross in those 20 years. Example, Obama turned a million net worth into 134 million in a few years as Chief of Corruption. I bet I could use the current one as another example who is even more corrupt.
That is Amerika, Duncan. Most other governments are similar, but maybe not so obvious. Corruption is the one area where the US is #1.
makati1 on Wed, 21st Dec 2022 9:16 pm
BTW: Trump’s September 2022 net worth (Forbes) is about $3,200,000,000.00. You don’t become a billionaire by being stupid.
Although you can become a US president…like Biden, if you are stupid/senile/demented. The bar for P & VP has almost dropped to the ground, just like recruiting for the US military. Scraping the shit under the barrel for cannon fodder…or a teleprompter reader.
Not that it matters as the US is shooting itself in the foot, leg, arm, stomach, etc. as it tries to hold on to the last shred of power. China, Russia and Iran don’t have to do anything but wait out the collapse of the West. It is fast approaching.
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 22nd Dec 2022 11:16 am
Former Kansas lawmaker convicted of COVID-19 relief fraud
Our Repug friends do know how the steal–
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2022/12/22/former-kansas-lawmaker-convicted-of-covid-19-relief-fraud.html
He could lose a bit of weight, but is slim by repug standards.
makati1 on Thu, 22nd Dec 2022 4:46 pm
Duncan, you are in for a shock when the whole Western system goes down. Dumbocrats/Repuglicans are the same animal. Corrupt, liars and hypocrites extraordinaire! Government whores all. They serve their masters and not you.
Your brainwashing is very obvious. That is the one area the West excels in. Thinking that your “vote” actually matters is a major point in that brainwashing/indoctrination. As does many other things you believe.
If Trump runs again, I just may vote for him, not that it will matter, but I would like to see him complete the shredding of the Dumbocrats and the incarceration of them all.
Pass the San Mig, it is getting interesting.
Dredd on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 5:01 am
Will it be enough to redeem the Arctic (Watching The Arctic Die – 6)?
Biden's hairplug on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 5:27 am
We are now in WW3, that will terminate the US empire, aka the West:
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/why-putins-winter-offensive-will-prompt-us-entry-into-the-war/
With Assad with the back against the wall, Putin came to his rescue.
Likewise, if NATO manages to push Russia with the back against the wall, China will come to the recue of Russia too, by opening a 2nd front in East-Asia.
#Taiwan
If KSA joins BRICS, the US empire is over anyway.
Hello on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 6:09 am
Turns out the Demwits were happily taking money from FTX. No surprise there. Stealing from small people is one of the landmark characteristics of Demwits.
Sometimes I wonder if there’s anything dumber than a Demwit. Seems not, judging from Duncan’s comments.
Cloggie on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 9:35 am
In 2021, the Netherlands had the most solar capacity installed per capita worldwide:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2022/12/23/netherlands-2021-most-solar-capacity-per-capita/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_by_country
1. Netherlands….817 Watt
2. Australia……742
3. Germany……..792
5. Japan……….590
5. Belgium……..569
6. Switzerland….412
7. European Union.400
…
16. USA………..289
…
387. Canada……..96
Biden's hairplug on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 10:15 am
Nigel Farage just admitted this:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1606005502047051776
[vitriolic comments alert]
Duncan Idaho on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 10:57 am
essentially what happened was that Constantine converted to Christianity but his entire army worship Sol Invictus, right? And everybody else was celebrating Saturnalia or something, you know, like a harvest festival at that time. And if he was going to make the Roman Empire Christian, he couldn’t very well do that but have everybody celebrating these non-Christian holidays. He couldn’t have the biggest celebration of the year be a non-Christian celebration. And so essentially what the church does is declare well yeah, what we’re really doing is celebrating Jesus because Jesus was born on that day. And the public essentially said, do we still get to celebrate? Yeah, OK, fine. You can say what it is about whatever, right? Like we don’t care as long as we still get to have our party.
It seems, our cabbages for christ friends actually had fun for a while
makati1 on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 4:39 pm
Biden’s,”We are now in WW3, that will terminate the US empire, aka the West:” It appears that we totally agree on this. Maybe it is not so obvious to those tax serfs who live inside the MSM box.
makati1 on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 4:43 pm
Cloggie, and in 2023, the Netherlands will be starving as their ‘government’ is closing down their food supply because: “Global Warming/Climate Change”. Such idiocy is common in the West. Just look in the mirror.
Cloggie on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 5:04 pm
mak, I’m afraid I have to disappoint you.
Despite all the Cassandra calls, the Netherlands just posted the most profitable year since 1999, I admit I am surprised too:
https://nos.nl/artikel/2457480-opnieuw-meer-winst-bedrijven-7-8-miljard-euro-extra-naar-aandeelhouders
We are all going to collapse, but not now.
Duncan Idaho on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 5:28 pm
Hint:
Kari Lake had her 2 days in court, Katie Hobbs will get her 4 years in the Gov’s Office on Jan. 5
Duncan Idaho on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 5:48 pm
We are all going to collapse, but not now.
Probably not now.
But 8 billion humans living in a collapsing ecosystem—
We are history
But 99.99% of everything that has evolved is extinct.
We are just a bit faster
makati1 on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 5:52 pm
$$$ Does NOT equal food, Cloggie. Your country is in the lead for collapse, but as you reside in the box, you are blind to reality. So be it.
makati1 on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 5:59 pm
Duncan, a “collapsing” system, for sure, but the losers are in the West this time. The emerging system will not allow the West to plunder and upset the rest of the world as in the past. That is a major plus. I made my decision to move East long ago and it was the best decision I ever made.
makati1 on Fri, 23rd Dec 2022 10:43 pm
BTW Cloggie, you might want to read this:
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/12/23/president-snow-will-drive-an-ev/#more-288841
“There is very little to no effort being made to make electric vehicles affordable – which would entail making them less powerful, less luxurious. A 1,000 pound battery pack is the EV equivalent of a large V8 engine. Many EVs have even larger battery packs that are the equivalent of V12 engines. These require – and use – vastly more energy than is necessary for just getting around. They require – and use up – vastly more raw materials than would be necessary to build a battery sufficient to provide economical performance….Unless of course, a new type of battery that does not require lithium replaces the lithium-based batteries that store the power to propel almost all modern electric cars. The same EV advocates who insisted that EV costs would go down now insist that such batteries are “coming.” It is of a piece with “two weeks to flatten the curve,” based on the track record of EV promises so far unfulfilled.”
Nah! You won’t read this as it may cause doubt that your unicorn future will not happen.
Cloggie on Sat, 24th Dec 2022 6:35 am
“$$$ Does NOT equal food, Cloggie. Your country is in the lead for collapse, but as you reside in the box, you are blind to reality. So be it.”
We are still the world’s #2 agricultural exporter. For the moment too much food is our problem, not too little.
“Nah! You won’t read this as it may cause doubt that your unicorn future will not happen.”
I think that private car ownership for the masses will soon be a thing of the past, indeed. Not bad really.
I still believe in this:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/by-2030-you-wont-own-a-car/
Cloggie on Sat, 24th Dec 2022 6:42 am
“California allows driverless taxi service to operate in San Francisco”
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/03/california-driverless-taxi-cars-san-francisco
Europe:
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-plans-to-approve-sales-of-fully-self-driving-cars/
Mass motoring will soon be over, not because Klaus Schwab will forbid car ownership, but because shared autonomous driving offers a far more fine-grained and cheaper door-to-door alternative.
This, but without the driver:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxFRVkMYWOE
elite whitey (((supertard))) Alice did not MUZZ-19 on Sat, 24th Dec 2022 3:17 pm
elite whitey supertard iJustine SWT, SAWs AH PBUH MUZZ-19
supertards please change ur undies right after chrimstmas
please feel at ease among friends
we’re lovers of supremacist muzzies
makati1 on Sat, 24th Dec 2022 3:26 pm
No Cloggie, you are not going to be the world’s 2nd biggest food exported anymore. Your postage stamp sized country is dying right along with the rest of the EU. When your stupid government shuts down those thousands of farms, you will be a net importer of food. Wait and see.
As for cars, they will be around longer than you will, and they will be run on FFs. Even if they stopped making them today, there would be FF cars running for the next 20-30 years, but I doubt the major car manufacturers are going to shut down to make your unicorn dream come true. There were over 60,000,000 new cars manufactured in the world in 2022. Most of those will still be running in 2042.
You live in a tiny country, with a population LESS than that of Metro New York City and a lot of it is below sea level. Sandwiched between two other insane countries, Belgium and Germany. When the US war with Russia expands, you will be swallowed up in an instant. And the US hopes to make that expansion happen next year. Are YOU prepared.
BTW: Happy Holidays from the land of eternal summer. ^_^
arif on Sat, 24th Dec 2022 7:23 pm
The carbon border tax and the reforms to the EU carbon market are significant steps towards reducing greenhouse gas emissions and addressing the issue of climate change. The extension of the Emissions Trading System (ETS) to include shipping is particularly noteworthy, as the shipping industry is a major contributor to global emissions. By setting a target to cut emissions by 62% by 2030, compared to 2005 levels, the EU is demonstrating a strong commitment to reducing its carbon footprint and working towards becoming a carbon-neutral continent. This will not only have positive environmental impacts, but it will also likely have economic benefits, as the shift towards renewable energy and low-carbon technologies creates new job opportunities and drives innovation. It is important that other countries and regions follow the lead of the EU and adopt similar measures to reduce their own emissions and combat climate change.
https://gisinfomedia.com
makati1 on Sat, 24th Dec 2022 7:46 pm
arif, your brainwashing was a success! You actually believe that humans can change the climate! Did your education ever get past the 3rd grade? Or are you a paid bot for the climate change cabal like Greta what’s her name?
It’s ALL about control (of you) and $$$. The climate bullshit has nothing to do with real changes in climate, but it does have to do with a change of money from your hand to the elite’s bank accounts. Who said: “There’s one born every minute. ^_^
makati1 on Sat, 24th Dec 2022 7:48 pm
GIS Infomedia is a site about applications that can be downloaded and installed on the Google Playstore. These applications include financial applications, utilities, and social media and so on.
Hopefully readers like posts from us.
Cloggie on Sun, 25th Dec 2022 6:22 am
“No Cloggie, you are not going to be the world’s 2nd biggest food exported anymore. Your postage stamp sized country is dying right along with the rest of the EU. When your stupid government shuts down those thousands of farms, you will be a net importer of food. Wait and see.”
You have no idea what you are talking about and mindlessly follow dumb US rightwing conspiracy sites.
The government is not randomly closing down farms, but only cattle farms. Millions of cows and pigs produce pee and shit, an equivalent of 140 million people (think Japan, Russia), on merely 40k km2, with dire consequences for the drinking water, containing too much nitrate. Something had to be done.
Besides, the Dutch can do so much more with 3700 m2 land, required to maintain a single cow, producing merely 10 m3 milk and $400 meat/year. That is a few dimes per m3, where the country as a whole produces a GDP of $30/m2. In tiny the Netherlands, meadows are a waste of space, but half of the country is occupied by it. Reason: for an average simpleton, being a lifestock holder is the easiest way to become millionaire, at the cost of the environment. No way. Time is up cowboy-on-clogs!
Another angle. The Dutch are not as bad as Americans (BMI 25 vs 28), but we DO eat too much meat, something like 80 kg/year per capita. Could easily be halved and increase national health while we are at it.
F*ck cattle farmers! Go to Russia or Canada or the US or Australia, where they still have space. Not here.
makati1 on Sun, 25th Dec 2022 3:52 pm
Lots of “Rah! Rah! Go Nederlands!” from the resident Renewables/Green/Techie. I understand supporting your country if you are trapped there and worried about your censors putting you on a “domestic terrorist” list, but it is no excuse to be narrow minded/stupid.
If your insane leaders think cow farts and pig shit is killing the planet, what about human farts from eating so many veggies, and don’t humans shit? I bet the humans outnumber cattle there by multiples. but then, it is not about “saving the planet”. It’s about transferring $$$ from your hand to theirs while they eat meat imported from intelligent countries and you eat bugs.
Did you ever research how many veggies you have to eat to replace meat? Or how much extra human gas and shit you will have to dispose of? Answer: Just as much as those cattle you want to get rid of. Humans are omnivores, designed to eat veggies AND meat. You cannot get a balanced, healthy diet from only veggies so supplements/pills are required.
And let’s not get into the pollution/gasses spewed out by the FF powered farm tractors, reapers, etc., needed to grow enough corn, wheat, etc. to replace those meat calories. You cannot live on garden salads.
But then, they are not using the stolen farms to grow food. they are going to be used to starve the population by making food scarce/expensive in the near future. Wait and see.
I also expect the childish putdowns when the truth hurts. A certain Missouri Mule of years ago tried to put down the truth for years but was not successful. He seems to have disappeared since then. Covid or GMO-JABs?
BTW, Cloggie, he called me a liberal. You call me a conservative. Obviously I am a realist, not a dreamer like you.
makati1 on Sun, 25th Dec 2022 5:07 pm
BTW Cloggie:
“Evidence suggests we are descendants of omnivores, and that the increase in brain volume coincides with a transition to hunting for animal game and eating large amounts of animal foods.
Phytoalexins are plant defense compounds that may be causing more harm than good when consumed, and people generally underestimate just how many defense compounds are in plant foods.
It is commonly believed that plant molecules act as antioxidants in humans, but they do not act as direct free radical scavengers in your body; rather, they trigger your antioxidant response system — a mechanism known as hormesis.
Animal foods are uniquely healthy for humans and provide all the nutrients required for optimal health, including vitamins A, C, E and K2, as well as choline, carnitine and creatine.”
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/12/25/the-case-for-avoiding-plant-foods-reckless-or-beneficial/#more-288985
Food for thought. Pun intended.
Personally, I eat some form of meat every day and have for 78 years. I plan to continue to eat meat everyday, and enjoy every bite. Our freezer is full of beef, carabao, pork, chicken, fish, crabs, and shrimp. Also broccoli, beans, carrots, peas, etc.. I have always eaten a balanced diet and always will. 78 and still healthy proves I am doing something right. Are you?
makati1 on Sun, 25th Dec 2022 5:25 pm
This is for Cloggie, who lives in cold country.
“Besides freezing door handles, Tesla owners who braved the cold this Christmas weekend were met with ‘winter range anxiety.’ As we explained last week, cold weather will degrade battery performance. At least one video went viral on Christmas Eve of a person whose Model S wouldn’t charge in the cold at a Supercharger station…”
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/tesla-owner-stranded-supercharger-christmas-eve-after-cold-weather-paralyzes-battery
I don’t think gasoline freezes and refill is minutes, not hours. ^_^
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Dec 2022 9:36 am
“I don’t think gasoline freezes and refill is minutes, not hours. ^_^”
Ever heard of peak oil?
“This is for Cloggie, who lives in cold country.”
Define cold, currently 10 C outside. Never heard of starting problems with e-cars, very popular in nordic countries like Netherlands, Sweden and Norway.
“Animal foods are uniquely healthy for humans and provide all the nutrients required for optimal health, including vitamins A, C, E and K2, as well as choline, carnitine and creatine.””
Nobody says that meat is unhealthy, I eat it myself (100 gr/day). What I do say is that overeating, like almost all Americans do, and as such are suffering from declining life expectancy due to morbid obesity, IS unhealthy. Enough is enough, but for Americans like makati that is difficult to digest.
“78 and still healthy proves I am doing something right. Are you?”
I am a decade younger, just ran a Coopertest of 3000 m (which is excellent for 18 year olds) and did 2 half marathon’s in october and november. And visit the gym 3 times per week. My health is super.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_test
makati1 on Mon, 26th Dec 2022 3:05 pm
Peak Oil? Hmm… Yep! 10 years ago it was a fad. The only thing they got wrong was when. Sounds like when they were going to have fusion energy “too cheap to meter”. I’m still waiting.
The only thing that will change is price. The more difficult oil fields will be tapped when oil is nearer its real value. Maybe $200+/bbl?
Granted, it will mean that it is not wasted like today. It will be used judiciously to do necessary things, not frivolous trips to McDonalds for a burger or whatever the equivalent is in your country.
An example is the Philippines. One hundred million plus people get things done with 1/2 the oil used by the Netherlands, per capita. Annual oil use in the Ps is 0.04% of the world’s consumption…vs…the 0.10% used by the Netherlanders.
https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-consumption-by-country/
You will also note that the US uses twice the per capita oil as China. That is what I mean by waste. Humans can have a good life without the luxuries of the West. I see it everyday here where electric and in home water is a luxury. The adults enjoy life and the kids play without expensive toys. Life goes on.
I would bet you have never been out of the spoiled EU, and maybe not even out of the Netherlands. You are in for a shock when you too live in the 2nd or maybe even 3rd world that is coming to the West. Reality is NOT the BBC or CNN.
makati1 on Mon, 26th Dec 2022 3:21 pm
Cloggie, it appears that my lifestyle is at least as good as yours and probably better as I am 10 years older and still very healthy. I don’t exercise beyond daily chores or watch my diet. I eat what I want, when I want. I have three glasses of local home brewed palm wine daily, take a multivitamin/mineral tablet and a pill for psoriasis. And occasionally a bottle of San Mig lite. My BMI is 24.4.
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm
I enjoy life and ignore the bullshit spewed over the MSM. I get my “news” from people near my age who are onsite at the event/war/etc. I don’t live “in the box” like you do. I live in the real world.
Cloggie on Tue, 27th Dec 2022 5:08 am
“Peak Oil? Hmm… Yep! 10 years ago it was a fad. The only thing they got wrong was when.”
Yeah I know that first hand, as I am here since jan 2012. So if you admit that peak oil will happen, why still promoting gasoline over e-cars? You are confused.
“I would bet you have never been out of the spoiled EU, and maybe not even out of the Netherlands.”
Complete BS. I was in all European countries (added this summer the last missing Andorra to the list), was in NYC, South-America, Russia, Ukraine, Mauritius, Maldives, Egypt, Morocco, Iceland, the lot.
“I have three glasses of local home brewed palm wine daily”
Uhuh, determined to dissolute your brain, or what is left of it, into alcohol, eh? I limit my intake to one glass of wine outside the home, never at home. BMI 22, veggies from my own garden, meat from the butcher, cheese, milk from the supermarket.
Duncan Idaho on Tue, 27th Dec 2022 12:50 pm
Dems Say GOP Rep-Elect George Santos Should Face Expulsion as He Admits to Lying About His Background
(If lying was an issue with repugs, there would be no repugs in congress)
But, whatever
Duncan Idaho on Tue, 27th Dec 2022 1:08 pm
Anti-drug attorney accused of trafficking methamphetamine
Just a repoug needing to make a few bucks?
http://burnoatus.freeforums.net/thread/87/anti-attorney-accused-trafficking-methamphetamine
Free Market Capitalism– what is there not to like?
makati1 on Tue, 27th Dec 2022 4:44 pm
Cloggie, because E-cars are impractical, expensive, and will NEVER replace FF cars buy more than a small fraction. Combustion engine vehicles and machines will survive both of us.
So, if you traveled and saw the world, why are you still so narrow minded? Oh, you never actually saw the real world outside of the tourist spots, I bet. I live there. Do you?
Can you live totally on your garden? I bet not. I can live on our farm, but choose to also support the local fish port, chicken ranch and hog farm. I could do well without ANY imports (including meds), the internet, electric*, home heating, can you? Nope! One glance at the current weather in your area tells me those wind and solar sources would not keep you warm, fed or able to travel for food, meds, etc.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=17.33,54.72,824/loc=-33.240,65.405
Whereas, where I live:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-225.93,14.10,824/loc=-33.240,65.405
And, yes, I have found that wine is more effective at keeping my BP down than any pills I have tried previously and it is a local product, not something from China or India. Basically it costs less than a dollar a day. Much cheaper than any drugs. Obviously, from my realist comments, correct English, punctuation, etc., posts, I am not under any alcohol stupor. Your brainwashing is much more dangerous to your future than my wine is to mine.
It is summer here 24/7/365. I will enjoy my day. Currently: ~6:45 AM, 24C, sun shining and going up to 26C later. This is the wet season and a bit cooler than the dry season. Enjoy your day.
*Our water system is gravity fed and we get 3-4 meters of rain every year. Our water system is always overflowing, not insufficient.
makati1 on Tue, 27th Dec 2022 4:53 pm
Duncan, if Dumbocrats were really tried for their crimes, there would be zero left in Congress or the Presidency. The US has the most corrupt government in the world. The Ukraine would come in as a close second. All are government whores or worse.
I am glad I reside outside of North Amerika. The US and Canada are going insane. Mexico is supplying all of the drugs the serfs need to cope with their new reality. Of course, the materials for those drugs MAY come from China (payback for the Opium Wars?) but then that is the new way of waging war. The US cripples China tech. China sends drug materials to stupefy the US. At least the nukes are not flying…yet.
Cloggie on Wed, 28th Dec 2022 7:29 am
“Combustion engine vehicles and machines will survive both of us.”
Really? Nobody in Europe will produce those after 2035. I have a good chance to live beyond 2046, based on the gene material of both my parents. By 2046, combustions engines will have vanished from European streets, likely long before.
“Can you live totally on your garden? I bet not.”
I will not produce milk, eggs or meat. But I can survive a winter or 2 on potatoes. The famous van Gogh painting “the potato eaters” was painted one hour walk from where I live, in 1886, 7 years before Philips Electronics came to town and made Eindhoven rise to the Silicon Valley of Europe it is today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Potato_Eaters
“So, if you traveled and saw the world, why are you still so narrow minded? Oh, you never actually saw the real world outside of the tourist spots, I bet. I live there. Do you?”
No shanty towns for me. The worst I saw was Morocco, Dominican Republic and Egypt and the corresponding beggars and camel drivers. Lost appetite exploring those areas, limit my tourism to Europe, hate flying.
makati1 on Wed, 28th Dec 2022 4:32 pm
Cloggie, do you really believe the bullshit you spew here?
Urope will be lucky to be producing enough food by 2035, or even bicycles.
Do you realize that laws change? Do you know that the EU is using more coal than ever, even though it is supposed to be banned? Coal plants are starting up and will not be shut down.
Electronics will fade or disappear with the war coming. Do you think the internet will survive a real war? It will be one of the first targets to cripple the enemy’s military.
Hahaha…yes, you can maybe ‘survive’ on potatoes, but ask the Irish how reliable that is. And if you only eat potatoes, you will not last long. If you weigh 70 kg, you require at least 56gm of protein per day or 23 medium sized white potatoes. Multiply that by six months and you would need ~4,000 potatoes. I doubt that you can grow that many in your garden. In a few months you would hate eating plain potatoes. Not to mention where the fuel is coming from to boil those potatoes.
It will be a lot longer than two years. How about the rest of your life? And when you get too old and frail to tend your garden…? I can relate to that last question. I can work in my garden for a short time daily, but not do the heavy work a real garden requires. I have a partner that does the heavy work or I can hire a worker for $10 per day if I need one.
So you hate seeing reality. Not a surprise for a Westerner. To bad. You could have learned how to live in your future world from them. They survive and mostly enjoy life. You only know luxury and will soon get a painful lesson in living.
Simon Rodgers on Wed, 11th Jan 2023 6:08 am
Makati, you stated that NL will be starving in 2023, which month do you expect this to happen ?
theluckycountry on Wed, 11th Jan 2023 6:18 pm
This Tax is just a rational response to peak oil. It’s mitigation, forcing people to drive less, heat less.
What did every one think was going to happen as we went down the other side of the bell curve? That we would all have as much as we wanted forever? Anyone who has the knee jerk to these sort of taxes is simply living in the past, trying to hold back the tide by pushing into the waves.
It is not the Strongest of the Species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change.
Charles Darwin